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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby jme » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:45 pm

demosthenes2k8 wrote:I just found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Cobalt
And it looks rather interesting.

I'm playing with it now, and, while I haven't done too much with it yet, it looks to be pretty awesome.


I've fooled around with OpenCobalt a few times over the last few years. It has a very innovative core technology in the peer-based TeaTime/Croquet replicated computation framework. And its dream team of original developers (incl. Alan Kay!) demands a certain degree of default consideration. But honestly I don't see it making much headway at this time, mostly for two reasons:

    It's based on Smalltalk, and though I am a Smalltalk fanboy from way back that may not be the right choice at this time.

    Its potentially awesome peer-based communications and state system may be too much for the likely available consumer broadband rates (and rules) and processor power. Again, at this time.

Nevertheless it has gotten some traction in the educational usage. And it has some cool aspects, such as the dynamic portals. I just think other open systems such as OpenSim or even Sirikata will likely out-evolve OpenCobalt due to larger user bases and correspondingly greater developer attention.

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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby jme » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:55 pm

While there are a number of browser-based metaverse platforms suitable as social hangouts, it seems to me that the MP diaspora is faced with a hard truth that at the moment there probably isn't a true MP replacement.

There have been many valuable suggestions as to substitutes, all with their own rox/sux bullet points.

Just for the heck of it I'd like to suggest that salient aspects of any user-driven metaverse platform should include:

  • Full user ownership of user-created content. Look carefully at those densely-obfuscated TOS pages. Few are really equitable.
  • Open standards for content models, images, sounds, videos, etc. Work should be at least mostly reusable in other mediums.
  • Support of UCG capabilities and variant display modes (2D, 2.5D, 3D, etc).
  • Ability for legal, unrestricted archiving/backups of user-owned content, along with freely-available tools needed to make them.
  • Open, configurable, evolvable platform, not tied to a single vendor, ISP, grid, company or private organization. Businesses can die, 'nuff said.
  • Support of fast and powerful user-scripting languages such as Lua.
  • Minimal client system requirements, in order to facilitate a wide range of client venues. Preferably browser (Flash) based. Preferably without client app downloads.
  • A marketplace of user-created (and other) content, with minimal vig, integration or security issues. Should offer real-world payments and/or currency exchange.
  • Should have a somewhat efficient and and at least horizontally scalable server architecture.
  • Must have a robust and comprehensive meep system. (OK, maybe not this one)

Well yeah, I think that excludes pretty much everyone!

Jokes aside, MP made a big niche and it's gone. Personally I'd like to avoid another traumatic platform evaporation, so I'll probably be avoiding walled-garden services whenever possible.


And so with that said, I'd like to suggest that the MP community take a hard look at the biggest and most active open metaverse platform currently available, OpenSim.

A quick rundown:
OpenSim is usually described as a kind of reverse-engineered clone of the Second Life® virtual world, but is in fact designed to be a general purpose metaverse platform, of which the clone mode is only one use case.

The term "OpenSim" refers not to a grid or community or service, but rather to just the server system used to render the worlds. To visit an OpenSim world you can use the actual Second Life® viewer, or one of several open-source clones (the Hippo viewer is very popular). Unfortunately browser-based clients are not yet really viable.

There are many grids in operation, representing hundreds (thousands?) of regions. These grids are clusters of worlds and can be run as basic ad-hoc federations of independent worlds (OSGrid) or commercial operations which sell and/or rent connected worlds/regions and services (ReactionGrid). Costs range upwards from $0.

A note: I'm using the terms "world" (MP-centric) and "region" (OpenSim-centric) interchangably here, even though they are not exactly equivalent

A growing number of companies offer OpenSim hosting and are the vanguard of the Metaverse Service Provider industry. Some rent you space for your worlds and handle the server management while others sell you hosting for your own OpenSim setups.

You can also run your own server software, on your own computer, either as a private or public (yes, people can visit) world.

So, a few caveats:
  • Relatively fat, downloaded client.
  • 3D environment, and the content creation toolchain thus implied.
  • Scriptable, but primarily via LSL. Lua support primordial at this time.
  • It's still an alpha-level server system.
  • No cross-grid currency system.

And a few pluses:
  • You can build, test and use worlds privately, even locally.
  • Your world content is archivable and transferable to another OpenSim server if desired or required.
  • You can connect your worlds to one of many different free or commercial 'grids' .
  • It's not necessary that you be 'connected' to a grid in order for other people to visit your worlds.
  • There are various server and world hosting options.
  • Furiously-advancing and surprisingly stable
  • This is a really good era to be involved with UCG-oriented contributions to the OpenSim community!

Yeah, this is a lot of information/advocacy. Sorry about that.

As usual the best thing is just to explore, so I'd recommend grabbing the Hippo viewer (or the Second Life® viewer, if you are a resident there) and cruising over to OSGrid. Or you can visit ReactionGrid (the slickest and probably the biggest commercial OpenSim-based grid right now) and wander around. And if you want to go the full monty, you can download the server package as fire up your very own world sim*.

* There are a couple of server packages available. All require a bit of configuration. The "Diva distro" package simplifies much of the configuration but requires the (free) mySQL database. The generic OpenSim distro includes it's own database, but requires a bit more configuration. D'oh!

Links:
OpenSim: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page
OpenSim downloads: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download#Binaries
Hippo viewer: http://mjm-labs.com/viewer/
OSGrid: http://www.osgrid.org/elgg/
ReactionGrid: http://reactiongrid.com/


While OpenSim is a very different platform, I think that a symbiosis of the OpenSim and Metaplace creator communities could be a fortuitous outcome in the wake of the MP site closure.

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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby Mario » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:27 am

Good content there Jme! Thanks! Hopefully we can find a habitable place to live soon.
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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby Trinion  » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:35 pm

Http://www.gaiaonline.com/ is a good site. Add me my name is Trinionnn.
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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby Cocoa77 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:50 am

For those of you who decide to go to SL I have a bit of a refuge for us MPer's there. Its called Refu G's Central. The SLURL is http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fabulous/112/148/23.

I hope to see some of you guys there. : )

I am Cocoa Darbyshire there btw.
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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby yezoma » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:44 am

I will look for you Cocoa :)

Strange your sl name, only I live in Derbyshire lol
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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby Cocoa77 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:18 pm

yezoma wrote:I will look for you Cocoa :)

Strange your sl name, only I live in Derbyshire lol



Haha awesome that is part of the reason i chose the name the singer for the germs name was Darby and I have always wanted to play a show in Derby. : P
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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby sarahgrace2 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:16 pm

Mario wrote:Actually I'm not THAT familiar with most expansions of the Metaville. I did use the Google VW for a while, until that too closed. So yeah, I'm still waiting for a better Metaplace really.

-Alex *mario* Easton


whats metaville? i looked it up, but it only shows a title bar on the webpage called metaville.net
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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby jme » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:07 am

Well it bills itself as "quirky & cute", and I'm not sure of the user-building available, but the Papermint in-browser metaverse is worth a look around. The avatars may be flat (2D) but they are funky!

The Papermint team really has built something stylish and unique. And just moving around is fun.

Probably not the ZOMG super-fab metaverse home to collect the entire the MP diaspora, but a fun little 'verse to explore anyway.

Maybe I'll see you there!

-jme

Papermint: http://www.papermint.com
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Re: Metaplace gone. Where to go now?

Postby demosthenes2k8 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:46 am

0.o I just hurled in my mouth. Too...bright. Unnatural.
Let us cling together as the years go by
Oh, my love, my love
In the quiet of the night let out candle always burn
Let us never lose the lessons we have learned
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